Re-interpreting Relevance: Preservation, Herstory, and the Challenge to the Traditional Narrative | NCPH 2016 #s14
Tweets from the NCPH roundtable on Thursday, March 17, 2016.
Looking for pics of Forest Service women and prepping for our @ncwhs #ncph2016 #ReinterpretingRelevance panel!
— Rachel D Kline (@KlineRacheld) March 3, 2016
Excited for women's history and historic sites at #ncph2016 #s14 at 1:30! @ncwhs
— Rachel D Kline (@KlineRacheld) March 17, 2016
Hanging out in the back row for #ncph2016 #s14 for some #wmnhist conversations. pic.twitter.com/47CFqI7gbd
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
And it's already standing room only! #s14 #ncph2016
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
I should note this panel is sponsored by @ncwhs, of which I am proud to be a member (they have a great newsletter!) #wmnhist #s14 #ncph2016
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
This should be good! #ncph2016 #s14 pic.twitter.com/jKszz6UjvD
— Beth Boland (@BethGBoland) March 17, 2016
Brian Joyner/NPS: reminder that earliest historic preservationists in US were women. #s14 #ncph2016 #wmnhist
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
.@BetterGuyX introducing the #herstory panel about how we need to include women in the narrative. #ncph2016
— Priya Chhaya (@priyastoric) March 17, 2016
Earliest preservationists were women, so why aren't their stories visible on the landscape of preservation at all? #ncph2016
— Alima Bucciantini (@alimab) March 17, 2016
Reinterpreting Relevance: Herstory we can start with Harriet Tubman, but we MUST look at all women – their agency & contributions #ncph2016
— Allison Seyler (she/her) (@ajseyler_) March 17, 2016
Yeah! #ncph2016 #s14 pic.twitter.com/2bVMn8eUh2
— Beth Boland (@BethGBoland) March 17, 2016
Rachel Kline, USDA Forest Service: asks, where are the women in the Forest Service? No interpretation at sites. #s14 #ncph2016 #wmnhist
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
How many Forest Service sites explicitly interpret women? A big fat zero! #ncph2016
— Rebecca Ortenberg (@historein) March 17, 2016
http://twitter.com/maslowskibl28/status/710520881605435392
.@KlineRacheld opens #s14 by observing that only 1 of >150 US forest is named for a woman. But that doesn't mean no #wmhist. #ncph2016
— Dr. Marla Miller (@MarlaAtLarge) March 17, 2016
The only forest named for a woman: Fremont–Winema National Forest in Oregon https://t.co/1Llc7EuQqH #s14 #ncph2016 #wmnhist
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
Women in USFS for long time, but not into "professional " fields until 1960s/70s. #NCPH2016 #s14
— Beth Boland (@BethGBoland) March 17, 2016
"The Forest Service was a family career," Rachel Kline argues. #s14 #ncph2016 #wmnhist https://t.co/ilFN4PfnQw
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
I count about 80 people in #s14. 8 of us on the floor. Love it. #ncph2016 #wmnhist
— Dr. Marla Miller (@MarlaAtLarge) March 17, 2016
http://twitter.com/RangerMelanie/status/710521688514023424
How many US Forest Service sites interpret women? Answ = 0! #ncph2016 #s14
— Beth Boland (@BethGBoland) March 17, 2016
How, asks @KlineRacheld, can we best mark women's history in the US forests, when they so often aren't tied to specific places? #ncph2016
— Dr. Marla Miller (@MarlaAtLarge) March 17, 2016
How do we tell invisible stories of women who contributed to the Forest Service as volunteers-lookouts, housewives, hosts, & more? #ncph2016
— Rebecca Ortenberg (@historein) March 17, 2016
Patricia Mooney-Melvin, Loyola Chicago–where are women, interpretation of women on the urban landscape of the city? #s14 #ncph2016 #wmnhist
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
How can Public Historians articulate stories of women when there is no obvious place to tell their story? #ncph2016 #HerStory
— Sara Anne (@NYYanksFan19SAF) March 17, 2016
Kline: If historic sites are important, how can we interpret them w/o physical presence on the ground? #ncph2016 #ReinterpretingRelevance
— Brian Joyner (@BetterGuyX) March 17, 2016
#HerStory: should Public Historians "graft" the untold stories of women onto existing historical sites/objects? #ncph2016
— Sara Anne (@NYYanksFan19SAF) March 17, 2016
Love this Q: I taught a course, "Women in the City" in Chicago at @saic_news but have more to learn. #s14 #ncph2016 https://t.co/cQrd6RMbgZ
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
Chicago had only 1 monument to real (not fictional) women until 1990s! #ncph2016 #s14
— Beth Boland (@BethGBoland) March 17, 2016
Hull House markers interpret women's stories in the neighborhoods they lived in in Chicago #ncph2016 #s14
— Rebecca Denne (@Rebecca_Denne) March 17, 2016
http://twitter.com/W_illiford/status/710523067177562112
Pat Mooney Melvin on #wmnhist on Chicago landscape, incl Jane Addams Mem Park https://t.co/U1KrAsAnJR & https://t.co/k47GcthVtq #ncph2016
— Dr. Marla Miller (@MarlaAtLarge) March 17, 2016
Challenge of intentionally interpreting women's history in landscapes where they aren't connected to a built structure #ncph2016 #s14
— Rebecca Denne (@Rebecca_Denne) March 17, 2016
http://twitter.com/_Spare_Rib/status/710523294735212544
Women central to library movt, but only 3% of Chicago like Barrie's are named for women. Only 6% of schools. #NCPH2016 #s14
— Beth Boland (@BethGBoland) March 17, 2016
http://twitter.com/RangerMelanie/status/710523442525827072
Of interest to some of us in #s14. [How does discourse get coded/gendered as carework?] #ncph2016 #publichistory https://t.co/GJuzRzynfZ
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
http://twitter.com/maslowskibl28/status/710523702505508864
Wear the right underwear when interpreting women! #ncph2016 #s14
— Rachel D Kline (@KlineRacheld) March 17, 2016
http://twitter.com/RangerMelanie/status/710523869023621120
http://twitter.com/_Spare_Rib/status/710523944088895488
Next: "Women's history as living history." This is taking me back to my costumed interpreter days!
#ncph2016
— Rebecca Ortenberg (@historein) March 17, 2016
http://twitter.com/W_illiford/status/710523972786503680
Emily Murphy: using material culture opens up convos about #wmnhist, labor (dare I say it – intersectionality)? #s14 #ncph2016 #wmnhist
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
Good place to start w women's history = underwear! Ex: determines allowed mov't! #NCPH2016 #s14 pic.twitter.com/9JjF4zvUvo
— Beth Boland (@BethGBoland) March 17, 2016
Best practices for interpreting history: wear right underwear, re-investigate tropes, find unexpected women #s14 #ncph2016
— Alima Bucciantini (@alimab) March 17, 2016
"Clothing makes movement, movement conveys a story" – Emily Murphy perfectly sums up clothing and living history #ncph2016 #S14
— Lindsay Davenport (@lc_davenport) March 17, 2016
Emily Murphey says historic clothing for living hist imp -Clothes convey movement which creates story which creates space #ncph2016 #s14
— Rebecca Denne (@Rebecca_Denne) March 17, 2016
RT @monicalmercado: Brian Joyner/NPS: reminder that earliest historic preservationists in US were women. #s14 #ncph2016 #wmnhist
— National Collaborative for Women's History Sites (@ncwhs) March 17, 2016
Women aren't always where you expect them in the historical record – account books, traditionally male trades (blacksmiths!!) #ncph2016
— Rebecca Ortenberg (@historein) March 17, 2016
Murphy: We need to look for women in occupations where they have not been traditionally associated #ncph2016 #s14
— Rebecca Denne (@Rebecca_Denne) March 17, 2016
http://twitter.com/RangerMelanie/status/710524570248335360
@BethGBoland : that should read "libraries," not "like Barrie's"!! Darned auto-correct! #NCPH2016 #s14
— Beth Boland (@BethGBoland) March 17, 2016
http://twitter.com/_Spare_Rib/status/710524732601290752
Does living history make those who didn't live trad gender roles invisible? Glad this Q acknowledged. #s14 #ncph2016 https://t.co/Wxrtaedi3x
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
Stella Ress talking about the Evanston (IL) women's history initiatives – follow @EHC_Archivist for more #wmnhist. #s14 #ncph2016
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
Nice to see SRO for women's history session! #ncph2016 #s14
— Beth Boland (@BethGBoland) March 17, 2016
http://twitter.com/_Spare_Rib/status/710525810831073281
#s14 giving me lots of ideas for my "Women in the City" reboot at @colgateuniv this Fall–focusing on Chicago, New York & beyond. #ncph2016
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
Evanston women's history provides curriculum material and other free educational resources to share important histories #ncph2016 #s14
— Rebecca Denne (@Rebecca_Denne) March 17, 2016
Pro Tip #HerStory: illustrating why historic women were successful in a locale will help community connect to their local history #ncph2016
— Sara Anne (@NYYanksFan19SAF) March 17, 2016
Thematic women's history historic district designation – useful? Good? Identifiable for people? #s14 #ncph2016
— Alima Bucciantini (@alimab) March 17, 2016
Joan Zenzen: How does Voyagers NP manage expectations of community while meeting its administrative goals? #ncph2016 ReinterpretingRelevance
— Brian Joyner (@BetterGuyX) March 17, 2016
Joan Zenzen on Voyageurs National Park and a story of female leadership, who is talking about gender & work at NPS? #s14 #ncph2016
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
http://twitter.com/W_illiford/status/710527845357981696
http://twitter.com/_Spare_Rib/status/710527930053562368
http://twitter.com/GoldieYock/status/710527946226798592
Ques to consider re interpreting women's history. #ncph2016 #s14 pic.twitter.com/oOMMNZ3hmJ
— Beth Boland (@BethGBoland) March 17, 2016
Q about representation of #wmnhist in the landscape/built environment: I agree we need to think about new end products. #s14 #ncph2016
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
http://twitter.com/RangerMelanie/status/710528688517939200
Story feels SO relevant to so much, including political climate. How do we talk about "difficult" women? #ncph2016 https://t.co/NawtkvoO67
— Rebecca Ortenberg (@historein) March 17, 2016
http://twitter.com/_Spare_Rib/status/710529016541945856
Is there a "basic human desire to memorialize?" Do we need more monuments to #wmnhist? This could be a whole other session. #s14 #ncph2016
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
Love the idea of combining education and community involvement as a way to get these stories told! #ncph2016 #S14
— Lindsay Davenport (@lc_davenport) March 17, 2016
I don't know that we do (monument mania?) but also, how do we reinterpret the landscape, historic sites? #s14 #ncph2016
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
The one book on women in forest service is 'incredibly inflammatory'. Funny, but not, since it blames women for more fires. #s14 #ncph2016
— Alima Bucciantini (@alimab) March 17, 2016
.@KlineRacheld Place is powerful. #s14 #ncph2016 But if there isn't a place, does that exclude?
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
"Place is powerful" – Yes! This is exactly why I do what I do! #ncph2016 #S14
— Lindsay Davenport (@lc_davenport) March 17, 2016
If we don't have an extant space and we don't build, where do we tell these stories? #ncph2016 #s14 https://t.co/ryaD2CfPvk
— Caitlin Starr Cohn (@velostarr) March 17, 2016
Audre Lorde reference 45 minutes in! #s14 #ncph2016 — yes, I am frustrated using the master's tools (ahem, NPS) to do public #wmnhist.
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
Really interesting convo about the limits of relying on places/monuments as a way to commemorate and tell women's stories #ncph2016
— Rebecca Ortenberg (@historein) March 17, 2016
Rachel Kline (USFS): "Places are powerful!" Must find more places representing women, + find women's stories in known places. #ncph2016 #s14
— Beth Boland (@BethGBoland) March 17, 2016
Can't see who's talking, but yes! We need to be activists. Interrogate who is considered among important women. #s14 #ncph2016 #wmnhist
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
The reality is that we live in a patriarchy, so do we sidestep and use different tools? Also, which women do we celebrate? #s14 #ncph2016
— Alima Bucciantini (@alimab) March 17, 2016
http://twitter.com/maslowskibl28/status/710531589483175936
@monicamercado #blackatbrynmawr is a great model of mapping spaces. #s14 #ncph2016
— Caitlin Starr Cohn (@velostarr) March 17, 2016
#HerStory: Public Historians must be ACTIVISTS w/In their jobs to help bring to light women's historical narrative at a place #ncph2016
— Sara Anne (@NYYanksFan19SAF) March 17, 2016
http://twitter.com/W_illiford/status/710531818047594496
How do we interpret histories of women in landscapes that no longer bear material traces of their presence? #ncph2016 #wmnhist #s14
— Chelsea Elise Hansen (@ChelseaEliseHan) March 17, 2016
Do we spend too much time telling these "first stories" of women? Something definitely to think about #ncph2016 #S14
— Lindsay Davenport (@lc_davenport) March 17, 2016
http://twitter.com/_Spare_Rib/status/710532286157070338
Murphy: Are we missing the stories of everyday women by focusing too much on a few major figures? #s14 #ncph2016
— Will Stoutamire (@wstoutamire) March 17, 2016
Pat Mooney-Melvin: Jane Addams imp., but annoying cuz dominates women's story in Chicago, to detriment of more inclusion. #ncph2016 #s14
— Beth Boland (@BethGBoland) March 17, 2016
This is why, I argue, celebrations of the 19th Amendment centennial can't be the only answer #wmnhist #s14 #ncph2016 https://t.co/3i1fbQAAJG
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
How do we insert women into the cultural landscape when they are missing from the built landscape? #ncph2016 #S14
— cvega (@carydelavega) March 17, 2016
Just tweeting out again an image of the Qs raised in #s14 #ncph2016 (I have a little better angle,
@BethGBoland) pic.twitter.com/n2PUM6DLtU
— Dr. Marla Miller (@MarlaAtLarge) March 17, 2016
#ncph2016 #s14 comment: Digital history good, but it's really important for women to populate the historic landscape–that is, real places!
— Beth Boland (@BethGBoland) March 17, 2016
Definitely some "well behaved women rarely make history" and "I put myself back in the narrative" cheerleading happening here.
#ncph2016
— Rebecca Ortenberg (@historein) March 17, 2016
Love the direction this discussion on living history is going #ncph2016 #S14
— Lindsay Davenport (@lc_davenport) March 17, 2016
Why #BlackatBrynMawr still has a walking tour, far more popular than digital map. #wmnhist #dighist #s14 #ncph2016 https://t.co/2NThJ4SG8t
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
http://twitter.com/_Spare_Rib/status/710534352535461889
Audience: Susan B Anthony didn't work in a vacuum. Community celebrations overlook her partners bc of her modern fame #s14 #ncph2016
— Will Stoutamire (@wstoutamire) March 17, 2016
Don't interpret women in isolation, look at their communities #ncph2016 #s14
— Rachel D Kline (@KlineRacheld) March 17, 2016
p.s. I'm so excited to hear lots of upstate NY voices in this convo – I want to find you! Moving to Central NY this summer! #s14 #ncph2016
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
Q/comment abt balancing community desire for "1sts" & getting people thinking about "whys." #s14 #ncph2016
— Dr. Marla Miller (@MarlaAtLarge) March 17, 2016
Does focusing on the individual rather than the movement limit the stories we can reveal when interpreting women's history? #ncph2016
— Chelsea Elise Hansen (@ChelseaEliseHan) March 17, 2016
http://twitter.com/RangerMelanie/status/710535287714226176
We talked about this w/Val-Kill in yesterday's #lgbthistory workshop: interpreting networks of women. #s14 #ncph2016 https://t.co/2SBcmjJRlo
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
Focusing TOO much on famous women limits whole story; ex, importance of community of women (eg, A. Adams, S. Anthony). #ncph2016 #s14
— Beth Boland (@BethGBoland) March 17, 2016
One audience member says her museum avoids "great women" issue by interpreting ideas/issues more than figures/people #s14 #ncph2016
— Will Stoutamire (@wstoutamire) March 17, 2016
http://twitter.com/maslowskibl28/status/710535538701443072
http://twitter.com/W_illiford/status/710535584113098752
.@erincbernard from the NCPH-award-winning @HistoryTruck pushes back: communities do know what matters to them, need to talk. #s14 #ncph2016
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
http://twitter.com/W_illiford/status/710535830700486656
Really talking to people in the community is important. Asking the right questions matters. #s14 #ncph2016 https://t.co/CGVFZ3lyt0
— Caitlin Starr Cohn (@velostarr) March 17, 2016
Could we try a binary label system – A 'traditional' one and a 'women's history' one side by side. Great comparison. #s14 #ncph2016
— Alima Bucciantini (@alimab) March 17, 2016
.@BetterGuyX asks: What are our expectations, the expectations of our visitors about women and women in public space? #s14 #ncph2016
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
Appreciate that #s14 is about interpreting #wmnhist AND issues of leadership in the federal agencies doing interpretation. #ncph2016
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
oy, I have this #wmnhist piece I keep not finishing, "What does it mean to be first?" #s14 #ncph2016 https://t.co/y5CFlEWKF2
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
.@KlineRacheld says phrase "well-behaved women never make history" should encourage us to reconsider what we consider history #s14 #ncph2016
— Will Stoutamire (@wstoutamire) March 17, 2016
http://twitter.com/M_Eip/status/710537832935399426
Rachel Kline looking at unpaid USFS women: wives/daughters kept community of firefighters functioning thru cooking, etc. #ncph2016 #s14
— Beth Boland (@BethGBoland) March 17, 2016
"You have to assign place to significance, that's the way it's always been done." How do we work w/in a fed bureaucracy? YES #s14 #ncph2016
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
Audience member: How can we redefine federal frameworks/processes to include more #wmhist? #s14 #ncph2016
— Will Stoutamire (@wstoutamire) March 17, 2016
http://twitter.com/W_illiford/status/710538769179475968
Exactly what's coming up here in #s14, no surprise. #ncph2016 #wmnhist https://t.co/LsTMbd9cV0
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
Audience comment: NPS was set up as a quasi-military organization, how do you interpret women within this framework? #s14 #ncph2016 #wmnhist
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
http://twitter.com/W_illiford/status/710539760301969409
Emily Murphey: historically women usually operating w/i hierarchy in which they weren't the top. How to deal with that? #NCPH2016 #s14
— Beth Boland (@BethGBoland) March 17, 2016
http://twitter.com/Historiann/status/710539737572843520
Maaaan, #WG2 on civic engagement and #s14 on women's history at historic sites keep intersecting! #ncph2016 https://t.co/iHIE19Qxpy
— Rebecca Ortenberg (@historein) March 17, 2016
What is history and how do we define it? Such an incredibly important question to consider as a public historian. #ncph2016 #S14
— Lindsay Davenport (@lc_davenport) March 17, 2016
http://twitter.com/JAVIERJavier51/status/710543070954188800
Excellent panel and engaging discussion about need to (& how to) include women's stories at historic sites #ncph2016 #s14
— Ian Smith (@ianoblio) March 17, 2016
Jeff Pappas says to use NR feeling and association as markers of integrity to include women in sites & landscape #ncph2016 #s14
— Rachel D Kline (@KlineRacheld) March 17, 2016
Federal policy confines us to what we can practice and interpret on the landscape #ncph2016 #s14
— Rachel D Kline (@KlineRacheld) March 17, 2016
RT @BethGBoland: good place to start w women’s history = underwear! Ex: determines allowed mov’t! #NCPH2016 #s14 pic.twitter.com/epFxH9AiYL
— National Collaborative for Women's History Sites (@ncwhs) March 18, 2016
MT @_Spare_Rib: Artifacts (iron nails made by women) present opps to tell stories abt non traditional roles. Don’t overlook! #s14 #ncph2016
— National Collaborative for Women's History Sites (@ncwhs) March 18, 2016
@_Spare_Rib suggests we reframe our conversations about women's history so that white women are not the default #ncph2016
— Chelsea Elise Hansen (@ChelseaEliseHan) March 17, 2016
.@_Spare_Rib is absolutely right: when will we have a @ncwhs panel like this with more conversation about women of color? #s14 #ncph2016
— Monica L. Mercado (@monicalmercado) March 17, 2016
@monicalmercado @_Spare_Rib Suggest topics or get in touch if you'd like us to sposor/promote relevant wmnhist session at upcoming conf
— National Collaborative for Women's History Sites (@ncwhs) March 17, 2016
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